I have been watching the news this past week with interest; the sudden fall from grace that Neil Woodford has seemingly done. It started with investors pulling millions of pounds from his funds and ended, at this point, with any trading within his funds to be stopped, so that investors cannot even get their money out. In fact, if the news is to be believed, the cash might be trapped in there until at least Christmas.
And, when reading yet another article about it all, it suddenly occurred to me that until quite recently, I held some of my own investments in one of his funds.
Part of this is because I invest with Hargreaves Lansdown. The investment company where I have my stocks and shares ISA. And, they have a list of funds that they promote, called the Wealth 50, which are supposed to be some of the best funds to pick from. After all, there are hundreds to choose from so they do the work in narrowing it down for you.
The particular one I was invested in was the LF Woodford Equity Fund. It paid out dividends every quarter, and as a dividend investor, regular payments seemed very appealing! Like clockwork, every three months. Although I can’t remember whether or not this particular one was in the Wealth 50 that Hargreaves Lansdown recommend, the Woodford funds definitely feature in there, or did until very recently. So, basically a recommendation from the company I chose to have my investments with.
See also: Dividend Income
It was one of the first funds I invested in, after doing some research online and seeing how popular the Woodford funds appeared to be, plus the investment company I use was also promoting them. Add to that the dividend income and I was sold, literally.
However, this was as quite an inexperienced investor. I’m quite happy to admit that! We all have to learn somewhere and everyone makes mistakes when they first start out at something. Me included.
One day, I was looking at my overall investment portfolio, focusing on returns but also the fees involved. There are ongoing fees with funds; they charge a percentage depending on the fund. Some are lower than others. I noticed that the fees for the particular fund I was invested in were slightly higher than I would have liked. Again, something I now know more about and what to look for. I added up the amount of dividends received and then looked at the cost and decided to sell them late last year.
In hindsight, what an excellent decision.
I did make a bit of money from selling them – not a lot – but a bit. That combined with the dividends received meant I had not lost anything. And because everything is held within my ISA, I didn’t pay any capital gains either.
But, following the news this week, I’m glad I got out. Now, the numbers I’m talking about are incredibly small, in comparison to the bigger investors. Very small. However, the thought that someone else has stopped me from accessing my very hard earned money because of a cash flow problem – which is essentially what the problem is at the moment as too many investors have taken too much money out all at the same time – would be frustrating. Especially since there would be nothing you could do about it! The very fund that I was invested in is the one that has been shut down.
So, I suppose this is a tale of warning and diversification when investing. When investing, there is nothing certain about your investments. They can go up or down, and indeed they do, daily. To have a lower risk portfolio, you need to be diversified. This means you need to have holdings in various things, across different sectors. Don’t put all of your eggs in one basket, so to speak.
I will continue to watch the news with interest; I wonder what the end result will be.
Have you got any investments with Woodford funds? Did you get out before this?
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Simon Godfrey says
The Woodford Fund forms part of two funds I have through HL – 4% in one, 12% in another. I’m doing some research this week to decide if I do anything about this or wait and see what HL say in their next communcation.
Simon Godfrey says
The Woodford Fund forms part of two funds I have through HL – 4% in one, 12% in another. I’m doing some research this week to decide if I do anything about this or wait and see what HL say in their next communication.
Mr FIRE says
That may prove to be a lucky escape.
But the lesson here is exactly what they say in the small print .. investments can go down as well as up (and they can also be frozen!!). I think a lot of novice investors read that and don’t quite realise it’s true, and a lot of FIRE crowd haven’t been investing long enough to remember the last few bear markets and crashes.
Perhaps also pay less attention to the likes of HL top 50 funds, they don’t constitute advice (and are certainly not independent!), and run the risk of being based purely on past performance.
Investor Tuition says
The suspending of redemptions for managed funds is surprisingly quite common. Often during times of market duress fund managers expecting a run on redemptions can decide to suspend their fund in order to liquidate assets in an orderly fashion. In recent history, 9/11 caused some funds to suspend for a number of days, and more prominently the 2007 GFC. This latter event caused many mortgage funds to close and never reopen, repaying investors over a prolonged period of time.
A read of the small print in a funds PDS will reveal the extent that fund managers can act to safeguard funds under management. (A more cynical person may suggest these actions occur to safeguard fee income).
The recent Woodford Fund closure is one of those events that do occur from time to time and act as a reminder for investors of the inherent risks when investing. This fund was certainly a case of heading the old investing axiom of “the higher the return, the higher the risk.
Oh, and any advertising, league ladder position, and industry praise accompanied by a high public profile of the manager ensures the investor absolutely nothing. None of which constitute criteria to base an investment decision on!
James Mackay says
This is an all too common story.
Investment platform promotes a ‘top selling’ fund, only to see large outflows in the next quarter/year. It’s basic psychologically, to follow the herd and focus on what’s working now.
But in my work as a Certified Financial Planner, I’ve found that ‘what’s working now’ is normally a recipe for disaster. Better to focus on what’s always worked (low cost, globally diversified portfolios).
I think you’re onto something with your comment about high costs. Morningstar did a great study which essentially said if there’s only one thing you focus on, it should be costs. Costs are the best predictor of returns (with lower cost funds typically outperforming higher cost funds). You can read the study here: https://www.morningstar.co.uk/uk/news/149421/how-fund-fees-are-the-best-predictor-of-returns.aspx
Anyway, ramble and rant over. Back to the day job of advising clients how to invest sensibly. 🙂
Best,
James